tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post2085678896396268031..comments2023-10-31T08:48:55.890-04:00Comments on Daf Yomi DafYomi Daf-Yomi: Daf Yomi - Megillah 11 - CalculationsAvromihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13593992238707872967noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post-13411554616927067652007-02-21T08:08:00.000-05:002007-02-21T08:08:00.000-05:00in the words of Reb Chaim Kanievsky, shlita, the I...in the words of Reb Chaim Kanievsky, shlita, the Ibn Ezra consistently disagrees with Chazal, in his pursuit of pshat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post-87035195115436789632007-02-21T07:05:00.000-05:002007-02-21T07:05:00.000-05:00ok. but on that note, if Avraham recognized hashem...ok. but on that note, if Avraham recognized hashem and changed his ways at the age of 3 (1951), how woul dhe have been part of the rebellion against God in the dor haflaga at the age of 52 (year 2000)?<BR/>What is the Ibn Ezra's explanation on that? According to this Avraham was not all that he was made out to be (at least until much later)Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post-6099803135109360072007-02-20T18:32:00.000-05:002007-02-20T18:32:00.000-05:00The Ramban in Breishis 2:3 seems to say pretty cle...The Ramban in Breishis 2:3 seems to say pretty clearly that the two thousand years of tohu started in the beginning of Creation.Avromihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13593992238707872967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post-31515411843173638932007-02-20T18:28:00.000-05:002007-02-20T18:28:00.000-05:00Avrham was born in 1948 and was 52 when he made ge...Avrham was born in 1948 and was 52 when he made geirim. Ibn Ezra posits that Avraham was from the builders of the tower, so Dor haflagah was "around" 2000.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post-74991310839087418312007-02-20T18:26:00.000-05:002007-02-20T18:26:00.000-05:00Here's the quote from Avodah Zara Daf 9תנא דבי אלי...Here's the quote from Avodah Zara Daf 9<BR/><BR/><BR/>תנא דבי אליהו ששת אלפים שנה הוי העולם שני אלפים תוהו שני אלפים תורה שני אלפים ימות המשיח בעונותינו שרבו יצאו מהן מה שיצאו מהן שני אלפים תורה מאימת אי נימא ממתן תורה עד השתא ליכא כולי האי דכי מעיינת בהו תרי אלפי פרטי דהאי אלפא הוא דהואי אלא מואת הנפש אשר עשו בחרן וגמירי דאברהם בההיא שעתא בר חמשין ותרתי הוה כמה בצרן מדתני תנא ארבע מאה וארבעים ותמניא שנין הויין כי מעיינת ביה מהנפש אשר עשו בחרן עד מתן תורה ארבע מאה וארבעים ותמניא שנין הוייןAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post-24575489801898142052007-02-20T16:58:00.000-05:002007-02-20T16:58:00.000-05:001. how does that fit with the fact that Avraham wa...1. how does that fit with the fact that Avraham was in the year 1948?<BR/>2. Does the gemara say it was year starting in year 1 or when it says 2000 years of desolation you are assuming it is starting the count from day 1. I do not remember the exact wording, but if it does not say it started from day 1, nothing changes... and if it does say it, then that solves the question regardig the 6000 years, but not about other numbers where no starting point is given.Rafi G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00699851287106903971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post-33248948978780084922007-02-20T16:41:00.000-05:002007-02-20T16:41:00.000-05:00there are even allusions to this as Gemara states ...there are even allusions to this as Gemara states Rav is a Tanna and he argues. palig, the word for arguing, also means split, and this alludes to the idea that the 2000 years of Torah ended in the era of Rav (Heard from Reb Yosef Kaminetzky shlita grandson of Reb Yaakov zt"l). Also, it is said he was called peleg because beyamav nifligah haaretz, and nifligah, besides the literal meaning of dispersed, can mean split. The dor haflagah was around the year 2000. That's when desolation ended and Torah began (my own).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post-21029066644315914862007-02-20T16:32:00.000-05:002007-02-20T16:32:00.000-05:00Rafi, nice piece, but Gemara states clearly that 6...Rafi, nice piece, but Gemara states clearly that 6000 yrs. began from day 1. 2000 yrs. of desolation, 2000 yrs. Torah from when Avraham made geirim, and 2000 yrs. Messianic Era.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com