tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post115762462433016385..comments2023-10-31T08:48:55.890-04:00Comments on Daf Yomi DafYomi Daf-Yomi: Daf Yomi - Sukkah 5 - Moshe and the MalachAvromihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13593992238707872967noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post-1157751872066521482006-09-08T17:44:00.000-04:002006-09-08T17:44:00.000-04:00i actually believe that its in the emes lyaakov on...i actually believe that its in the emes lyaakov on breishisAvromihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13593992238707872967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post-1157751638843440022006-09-08T17:40:00.000-04:002006-09-08T17:40:00.000-04:00Thats from the infamous Making of a Gadol.Am I cor...Thats from the infamous Making of a Gadol.Am I correct?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post-1157739114585478372006-09-08T14:11:00.000-04:002006-09-08T14:11:00.000-04:00reb yaakov kaminetzky said that the first four or ...reb yaakov kaminetzky said that the first four or six (not sure) of the rambam in yad is like a hakdoma and it was written with philosophy and that is why it would seem that there he didnt have it right, but we can't say that on the rest of yad.Avromihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13593992238707872967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post-1157696934985784402006-09-08T02:28:00.000-04:002006-09-08T02:28:00.000-04:00You are very right - i think, the possuk is referr...You are very right - i think, the possuk is referring to Hashem, not the moon - however you remind me of a famous episode. There is a machlokes between Rambam (yad and moreh) and Ramban (breishis) if the moon is a gas or solid. Someone went to Reb Dovid Solivetchik when n armstrong landed on moon and said "you see, the ramban is right and rambam is wrong." He waved with his hand and said "Ah, Da Amerikaners are a band fun shakranim!!"Avromihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13593992238707872967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post-1157696401305736152006-09-08T02:20:00.000-04:002006-09-08T02:20:00.000-04:00I wanted to add something to this inyan me and a f...I wanted to add something to this inyan me and a friend have had an interesting hashkafah conversation about Kiddish Levanah where I posed the question we say "vein anachnu yachlim lingoah bah" yet Neil Armstrong did and i add it also says "Hashomayim Shamayim Lahashem Vhaaretz Nosson Lbnei Adam"<BR/>so two issues today he sent me this email in response:<BR/> Astronauts on the moon - Succah 5a<BR/><BR/><BR/>We once discussed the possuk 'kshem sheani royked knegdaych veayni <BR/>yochol lingoa boch kach loi yoichloo kol oyvay lingoah bee leraah' (I <BR/>wrote out the whole possuk just b/c it's fun). We tried to figure <BR/>out how astronaouts did land on the moon a few times (although it's a <BR/>rare occurrence and the moon walkers were living in an artificial <BR/>environment).<BR/><BR/>We also discussed the other possuk that says 'The Heaven, heaven is <BR/>for God, and the Earth was given to sons of Adam' (translation mine - <BR/>do you like it?). This possuk also needs explanation in light of the <BR/>fact that many astronauts regularly visit outer space and even live <BR/>there, not to mention commercial aircraft. Well, the Gemara Succah <BR/>5a already asked the question - didn't Moshe and Eliyahu go up to <BR/>Heaven for extended periods of time? The Gemara reaches the <BR/>conclusion that Earth means the actual physical ground up to a height <BR/>of 10 tefachim, and Shamoyim means the actual Heaven (no definition <BR/>given) and up to 10 tefachim below that place. All the airspace and <BR/>atmosphere between those 2 points is neither heaven nor earth and you <BR/>can refer to it arbitrarily as either heaven or earth. <BR/><BR/>The Gemara then asks that Moshe actually went up and grabbed <BR/>the 'throne of God' (keesay hakavod), and the gemara assumes that the <BR/>keesay must be in 'Shamoyim'? To this the gemara answers that the <BR/>God picked up the throne and moved it to more than 10 tefachim below <BR/>Heaven in order to allow Moshe to grab on to it - b/c of course Moshe <BR/>did not go into 'Heaven' since Heaven is reserved for God while Earth <BR/>is for people. <BR/><BR/>Of course the Gemara asks how it could be that God does not go onto <BR/>Earth, and the gemara answers that God stays above 10 tefachim like <BR/>it says 'God appeared from atop the kapores which is above the aron' <BR/>which we all know is 10 tefachim high (except according to R Yehuda <BR/>who maintains that it's only 8.5 tefachim high)Just wanted to share it with everyoneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post-1157666508715735262006-09-07T18:01:00.000-04:002006-09-07T18:01:00.000-04:00...but didn't Moshe himself say that he fasted?...but didn't Moshe himself say that he fasted?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30932360.post-1157658817374072372006-09-07T15:53:00.000-04:002006-09-07T15:53:00.000-04:00So, at the end you're not answering the question.....So, at the end you're not answering the question...correct?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com