Tuesday, September 05, 2006

Daf Yomi - Sukkah 3 - Sukkah Corners

The Magen Avrohom 634 rules that if one has a corner in a large sukkah that does not have seven square tefachim, one cannot sit in that portion of the sukkah for the space is too cramped to sit comfortably. He sites our Gemora as proof to this, for the compartment where Hilni was sitting was not deemed as part of the large sukkah.

Biur Halacha quotes the Bikurei Yaakov as asking on the proof. Perhaps the compartments of our Gemora is regarded as a separate entity for there is a wall separating between it and the sukkah, however a corner protruding from the sukkah with no separations could be considered part of the sukkah?

Raabi Dovid Goldberg wonders what the proof is that there is a dividing wall in the compartments mentioned in our Gemora?


Anonymous said...

I saw Rav Goldberg's comments in his sefer and frankly don't understand what is troubling him. The compartments in the Queen's Sukka are explicitly stated as being for purposes of Tznius. If they were not closed off from the rest of the Sukka, where is the Tznius?

Avromi said...

I hear you - but if you look at Bikurei Yaakov, he says two things - one that it's a separate room and the second that there's a mechitza. For purposes of tznius in a sukkah, a mechitza is not necessay - being in a room to the side would be sufficient.

Anonymous said...

I think you always need a mechitza for tznius. Whether you are correct or I am, it certainly does not rise to the level of a kashya on the mishne brura! The Chofetz Chaim assumed there was a mechitza. Unless you have proof that he is wrong, you have no kashya.

Avromi said...

Firstly, you mean kasha on the Bikurei Yaakov.
Secondly, it's not like a big kasha, rather he wonders what the proof is that that is the case.
Thirdly, I don't agree with your last statement... to ask a kasha and especially this kind, one doesn't need proof.. as a matter of fact the kasha is in reverse..what proof is there that the case is referring to a mechitza.
Lastly, midas hatznius can be accomplished in many ways.