Monday, September 04, 2006

Daf Yomi - Sukkah 2 passul is passul

The Gemara asks why here it states פסולה and in Eruvin it states ימעט. Why didn’t the Gemara answer that by Sukkah it cannot say anything else, because once the schach is higher than twenty amos, it is passul, because of תעשה ולא מן העשוי. In order to make it kosher, one would have to shake the schach or in this case actually lower it.

4 comments:

Avromi said...

Two things initially:

#1 It clearly does not have that psul for the Ritva states this is difference between menorah and sukkah. Menorah can't be moved if one holds hadlokoh oseh mitzva and sukkah can be moved.

#2 what is the meaning of your last words "or in this case actually lower it", so you are agreeing that one can lower it and be kosher?

Avromi said...

It is possible that the Pnei Yehoshua addresses your point and states that one can lower the schach or raise the ground with dirt and there is no pesul of תעשה for tosofs later states that when pesul mis because of height the schach is not passul and hence there would be no problem.

Avromi said...

Lastly, for now at least, the Sfas Emes states that perhaps if one would raise the floor, he would have to shake the schach, but our Gemora doesn't have to come on to that for if he lowers the schach, that is sufficient.

In conclusion, your kasha is answered, because there is a simple solution of lowering the schach, which all would agree is fine, so why doesn't our Mishna say ימעט.

ben said...

#2 what is the meaning of your last words "or in this case actually lower it", so you are agreeing that one can lower it and be kosher?

I mean that theoretcially this should work. certainly one can rectify it but i am understanding passul means to be invalid and there is no sukkah. it's a little bit lomdush, but it's in contrast to mavoi which is not passul, just fix it.