Monday, April 23, 2007

Daf Yomi - Chagigah 16 - Food For Thought

*** The Gemora states that the demons can hear what is being announced from behind the Partition in the same manner as the ministering angels.

The question is asked: If they can hear from behind the Partition, what is the purpose of the Partition?

*** Why was the Satmar Rebbe extremely particular that the beds should be placed next to a wall and not in the middle of the bedroom, even the beds that children sleep on?

*** The Gemora states: If a person feels that his evil inclination is overpowering him, he should travel to a place where he will not be recognized, dress in black and there he could do whatever his heart desires; this way, he will not be desecrating Hashem’s name.

How should this Gemora be understood?

*** The Gemora states: The stones located in a person’s house will testify against him if he sins; the beams of his house will testify against him. The Chachamim say: His soul will testify against him. Rabbi Zreika said: The two ministering angels that accompany a person will testify against him. Others say: A person’s limbs will testify against him.

Are all these opinions arguing with each other? What is the significance of all these testimonies?

10 comments:

Yoyli said...

He brings passuk by Chizkiyah Hamelech "vayasev chizkiyah es panav el hakir" - he was sick in bed and he got up to daven by the wall - we can learn from here that his bed was adjacent to the wall.

Divrei Yorl Hoshanah Rabbah

Moshe said...

Which part of the bed should be next to the wall?

Yiddel said...

Don't they say that by the time he gets all dressed up and prepared, the yetzer horah will not be so strong anymore and he will not do the aveira?

Avromi said...

Thanks Yoyli, although I dont fully understand the proof.

Moshe, I'm not sure myself; I just saw that he was extremely against it and he claimed that it was going b'chukas hagoyim.

Yes Yiddel, that's one pshat - there are others as well.

Anonymous said...

1)To block them from SEEING
2)To prevent them from falling off and yes that is the real reason
3)In gittin we have a concept of "Makin oiso ad somer rotzeh ani" we hit him untill he says he wants but a get against his will is no good the rambam says every person in his heart wants to do rotzon hashem that is what his heart wants so to here put on black for hihur teshuvah and do as his heart wants as is understood before

4) one answer the signifigance is thats is really part of shemah The Gemora states: The stones located in a person’s house will testify against him if he sins;בשבתך בביתך, the beams of his house will testify against him. The Chachamim say: His soul will testify against him;this is ובשכבך as we know soul goes up as night that will testify Rabbi Zreika said: The two ministering angels that accompany a person will testify against him ובלכתך בדרך The limbs that allow you to stand will testify ובקומך.

Avromi said...

re #2 firstly, it wouldn't be chukas hagoy and then there should be a wall on both sides. Also, I'm not convinced that he's not referring to the head of the bed and not the side.

Anonymous said...

I like the shma thing

David said...

The issue behind having the bed agaisnt the wall and not the center of the room is b/c of pritzus, not chukas hagoyim. (What chukas hagoyim would there be with putting a bed in the middle of a room?) It's not only the Satmarer, it's in many common seforim as well.

David said...

The issue behind having the bed agaisnt the wall and not the center of the room is b/c of pritzus, not chukas hagoyim. (What chukas hagoyim would there be with putting a bed in the middle of a room?) It's not only the Satmarer, it's in many common seforim as well.

Avromi said...

I asked a few poskim and they did not hear of it. Divrei Yoel is referring to all beds in all bedrooms, not only for married couples. He specifically states that the issur is because of chukas ha'akum. I am not claiming to know what this means - I am asking.