Tuesday, February 06, 2007

Daf Yomi - Taanis 29 - ADAR and Av- The Contrast Between Them

Rabbi Yehudah, the son of Rabbi Shmuel bar Shilas said in the name of Rabbah: "Just like from the first of Av, participation in joyful events must be lessened, so too, as soon as the month of Adar enters, joyous festivities should be increased."

There are several questions regarding this statement. (Please let us know your opinion.)

1. Why is the mitzva of expressing joy during Adar written in suce an obscure manner; as a contrast to the month of Av?

2. Is there ever a time that one should not be in a state of happiness?

3. There are many halachos in regards to the decrease in joy during the month of Av, but no mention of how to increase happiness in the month of Adar. Why not and what are the methods?

4. THe beginning of Adar is the time that Haman's decree took effect. This is also the time that Moshe died? Why should the entire month have the increase in joy?

5. Should there be a lessening of happiness in the days after the ninth of Av?

6. Why don't we institute a month of happiness during Kislev because of Chanukah?

7. It is implicit in the statement of Rabbah that there should be some happiness expressed during the month of Av? How should that be manifested and why?

8. Why do the Rambam and shulchan Aruch omit this halacha of increasing joy during the month of Adar?

We would appreciate your input on any of these matters.

Thank You

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

Based loosely on a Shiur from my Rebbi Shlita (no name because I'm not sure how much is his and how much is mine), the Mishnah is telling us that Galus and Churban is a process, not an event. It did not just happen. Rather there were causes, long-term and short-term that led up to it. That's why we reduce Simcha as we go into the time of Galus, rather than just crying on Tisha B'Av itself.

So too, says the Gmara, we need to understand that Geula is also a process and we have to make it happen with our Avoda. Don't just sit and wait for the white donkey. Understand that our actions will bring the Geula. Therefore, the Simcha should begin to build as we approach the holiday that represents the last miracle of the Galus. Note Rashi's reference to Pesach. It is with this strength that we will approach the final redemption.

That being the theme, the Mishna discusses only the Churban because that's anyway the only theme of the Mishna.

This doesn't answer all of the questions, although it addresses some of them and provides what in either case is an important insight.

David said...

. Why is the mitzva of expressing joy during Adar written in suce an obscure manner; as a contrast to the month of Av? - WHY IS ADAR MORE OBSCURED THAN AV? THEY SEEM TO BE DIRECT PARALELS

2. Is there ever a time that one should not be in a state of happiness? ----NO. IN ADAR WE INCREASE IT, AND IN AV WE DECREASE IT, BUT WE ARE ALWAYS MEANT TO BE IN A STATE OF HAPPINESS. IT SHOULD NEVER BE ENTIRELY REMOVED, EXCEPT, PERHAPS, FOR THE NINTH OF AV ITSELF.

3. There are many halachos in regards to the decrease in joy during the month of Av, but no mention of how to increase happiness in the month of Adar. Why not and what are the methods? -- "AIN SIMCHA ELAH BASAR VIYYAIN". ALTERNATIVELY, WE CAN ALSO USE THE STANDARDS OF YONTIF, OF CANDY FOR THE KIDS, AND CLOTHING FOR THE WOMEN.

4. THe beginning of Adar is the time that Haman's decree took effect. This is also the time that Moshe died? Why should the entire month have the increase in joy? -- BUT MOSHE ALSO WAS BORN IN THE MONTH, ACCORDING TO THE MIDRASH, AND THUS HIS BIRTHDAY AND YORTZEIT CANCEL EACH OTHER OUT. AND HAMAN'S DECREE NEVER TOOK EFFECT.

5. Should there be a lessening of happiness in the days after the ninth of Av? - ADARABAH, THEY SHOULD INCREASE AFTER THAT POINT, UNITL THE PINNACLE ON THE 15TH.

6. Why don't we institute a month of happiness during Kislev because of Chanukah? - - WE WERE STILL UNDER GREEK RULE. ( WHEREAS IN THE TIME OF PURIM, WE WERE STILL IN EXILE, AND THEREFORE THE VICTORY WAS AS COMPLETE AS YOU CAN GET WHILE STILL IN EXILE)

7. It is implicit in the statement of Rabbah that there should be some happiness expressed during the month of Av? How should that be manifested and why? - - AFTE THE NINTH OF AV, WE REVERT TO THE REGULAR AMOUNT OF SIMCHA WE MUST ALWAYS MAINTAIN. IN THE FIRST NONE DAYS, WE ALSO MAINTAIN REGUALR SIMCHA, EXCEPT IN THE LIMITATIONS SET FORTH IN HALACHA.

8. Why do the Rambam and shulchan Aruch omit this halacha of incresing joy during the month of Adar - AT LEAST THE RAMAH CLOSES ORACH CHAIM WITH THE OBSERVATION OF "TOV LEIV MISHTEH TAMID", IF I RECALL CORRECTLY.

Chaim B. said...

As to why the SA and Rambam omit the din of marbin b'simcha, it parallels the Rambams omission of being m'maet simcha in Av - see Shu"t Chasam Sofer O.C. 160, which I posted about here http://divreichaim.blogspot.com/2006/07/mshenichnas-av-mmaatim-bsimcha-court.html
You would still have a kashe on the S.A.

Avromi said...

David: In regards to # 1 - it is obscure because the gemora only mentions it as a kisheim, not outright.

point # 2 look at tosfos megillah (5a) acc to the magen avraham's (551:1) understanding that during av, one should not be misameach at all for otherwise a shiur should be stated. machtzis hashekel asks that tosfos is discussing fast because of rain and not av but then he answers it.sha'ar hatziyon says that one should be b'simcha a little during av.

ben said...

It would seem that the word bisimcha implies that one should either increase or decrease activities of simcha, which subsequently leads one to feel sad over the churban or happy over the miracle of Purim. As mentioned above, a person always has an obligation to be happy. Chasam Sofer writes that even teshuvah must be performed bisimcha. Can one be misabel bisimcha? Apparently yes. The Chovos Halevovos writes that the chasid is tzahalaso al panav vievlo bilibo.