Thursday, March 29, 2007

Daf Yomi - Moed Katan 18 - Highlights

The Gemora cites a braisa: Rabbi Yehudah maintains that just as it is forbidden to take a haircut during Chol Hamoed, it is forbidden to cut one’s nails. Rabbi Yosi says: It is permitted. The same dispute applies by a mourner as well.

Ula states: The halacha is in accordance with Rabbi Yehudah in regards to a mourner, but follows Rabbi Yosi’s opinion regarding Chol Hamoed. Shmuel disagrees and holds that the halacha is in accordance with Rabbi Yosi by Chol Hamoed and in pertaining to a mourner. Shmuel states: Whenever there is a dispute which pertains to the laws of mourning, we always follow the lenient opinion. (17b – 18a)

A word is much more than "just a word", our Sages teach us.
In our Gemora we find that when the Sage Shmuel paid a condolence visit to his brother Pinchas who had lost a child, he asked him why he allowed his fingernails to grow although it was permitted to cut them. The rebuttal of Pinchas that "If such a tragedy as mine had befallen you, would you also show such disregard for mourning?" is described by the Gemora as an example of "an error proceeding forth from the ruler" (Kohelet 10:5). The result of this apparent slip of the tongue was that Shmuel himself soon became a mourner because "there is a covenant for the lips" — a spoken word has the power to effect fulfillment. As proof of this power Rabbi Yochanan cites the statement made by the Patriarch Avraham, on his way to offer his son Yitzchak as a sacrifice, to the two young men accompanying them. "Stay here," he told them “and I and the lad will return to you" (Bereishet 22:5), and did indeed result in their both returning.
(Tosefot raises the question as to why Rabbi Yochanan cited an example of the spoken word achieving a good result as proof that such power existed in regard to achieving a negative result such as in the case of Shmuel. Would it not have been more appropriate to cite the proof brought in another Gemora (Berachot 19a) that "one should never open his mouth to Satan" — not say something of a harmful nature to himself such as declaring that whatever he has suffered is still insufficient to atone for his sins?
Maharsha explains the difference between these two sorts of power of the spoken word. In the case of the Gemora in Mesechta Berachot, the person speaking includes himself in the tragedy of which he speaks, thus giving the prosecuting angel — Satan — the opportunity to accuse him of self-incrimination and thus weakening the ability of the Divine Attribute of Mercy to intervene on his behalf. In the case of Shmuel, as in the case of Avraham, the statement is being made about someone else, for good or otherwise, and is considered as being an unconscious prophecy whose utterance effects its fulfillment. Ohr Samayach by Rabbi Mendel Weinbach) (18a)
Rav Shemen bar Abba said: I was once standing in front of Rabbi Yochanan in the Beis Medrash during Chol Hamoed and he was biting his nails and throwing them away. We can learn three things from here: One is allowed to cut his nails during Chol Hamoed; biting nails is not regarded as disgusting; one can throw fingernails into a public area.

The Gemora asks from the following braisa: One who buries nails is considered righteous; one who burns them is considered pious; one who throws them into a public area is regarded as a wicked person (since the sight of the nails can cause a pregnant woman to miscarry).

The Gemora answers: This is not a concern in a Beis Medrash since a woman is generally not found there.

The Gemora states: The nails are only dangerous in their original location, but if they have been moved from there, there is no concern any longer. (18a)

Avital the scribe said in the name of Rav: A mourner is permitted to shave his moustache. Rabbi Ami said: Permission is granted only to the hair that disturbs his eating. Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak said regarding himself that he is extremely finicky and his entire moustache disturbs his eating. (18a)

The Mishna had listed different people that are permitted to wash their clothes during Chol Hamoed.

Rav Assi said in the name of Rabbi Yochanan: One who has only one garment is permitted to washi it during Chol Hamoed.

Rav Yitzchak the son of Yaakov the son of Giyurei said in the name of Rabbi Yochanan: One is permitted to wash linen clothes during Chol Hamoed (since they do not require much effort). (18a – 18b)

(Writing is one of the labors that are forbidden to do during Chol Hamoed. The Mishna lists various exceptions to this halacha.) The Mishna states: The following documents are permitted to be written on Chol Hamoed: marriage documents, bills of divorce, receipts, sickbed wills (one who is gravely ill can transfer property with an oral declaration alone but a document is a necessity to record that this actually transpired), a gift and prozbuls (This is a document in which the lender transfers to the Beis Din debts that are owed to him, in order that the Shemitah year will not cancel them. He may write this during Chol Hamoed in a case where the lender desires to embark on a journey, and if he does not write the document now, the Shemitah year will pass and he will not be able to collect the debt.), documents of assessment (evaluating the worth of a particular field), documents of sustenance (detailing the amount a man is obligating himself to support his stepdaughter), deeds of chalitzah (If a man dies childless and his brother refuses to perform yibum to his brother’s wife, he must perform the alternate rite of chalitzah, in which she removes his shoe before the court and spits before him and declares, “so should be done to the man who will not build his brother’s house.”), refusals, document of arbitration (splitting an estate among the inheritors), Court decrees, and letters of the government. (18b)

Shmuel states: It is permitted to betroth a woman on Chol Hamoed for otherwise another man might betroth her first. The Gemora cites a braisa which supports Shmuel’s opinion: One is permitted to betroth a woman on Chol Hamoed but he cannot marry her. (There are two stages to establish a marital bond: kiddushin or erusin (betrothal) accomplishes that the man and woman are considered legally married; nisuin, the second stage, allows them to engage in marital relations.)One cannot make the betrothal party and one cannot perform a yibum (levirate marriage - the act of the brother-in-law marrying his widowed sister-in-law, when the brother died without children) because it is an expression of joy. (18b)

The Gemora asks on Shmuel’s reasoning for allowing one to betroth a woman on Chol Hamoed for otherwise another man might betroth her first; didn’t Shmuel say that every day a Heavenly voice pronounces: “The daughter of this individual is designated for that man,” and “The field of this individual is designated for another.” If so, how can the man lose this woman to another man? The Gemora answers: He might lose her as a result of someone else’s prayer. Another man might desperately want her as a wife and he cannot bear the fact that she will be married to another man; subsequently he will pray that she dies. (18b)


Anonymous said...

The following documents are permitted
According to some because public needs are doche Chol Hamoed

Anonymous said...

Daf Blurbs for (כ)
-When Avelim come back from Levayah on Chal hamoed is there a Seduas Havarah? The Seudah an Avel eats right after, which cant be his own food classically An egg and a roll? The גשר החיים says The Minhag Yerushlayim is first the Seudah is only given to someone who lost a parent second only the roll and not the egg because the egg is to much Aveilus
-Halacha for people who dont live in Israel:Achron Shel Pesach and Simchas Torah actually count towards a day of Shiva because these days of Yom Tov are Derabanan
-The Gemurah implies that it is all in the behavior of the mourner if he started the dinim of avelus in our gemurah fllipping the beds thats when count starts to count if days of yom tov count towards Shloshim and shiva but what if he did not then Yom Tov does not cancel because he did not start behaving as Avel before,Meiri disagrees says it depends if he did it on purpose or not if on purpose the days of Yom Tov don't count towards day in unintentional then yes count towards days of Aveilus.
-I had a question Here normally Rav Yochanan holds like Stam Mishna what happened here?
-The Atzeres Chad Yomah The Ritvah explains the question as such:we have a klal Tofasta Merubah so why dont we pick the shortest Yom Tov Shavous?
-a answer we do when its Rechokah then one day like Atzeres if its krovah then seven days like pesach and sukkos
-Tosfos why not more for Shmini Atzeres? chag lfnie atzmah
-Why do we pick a Posuk from Amos to learn Seven days of Aveilus and not from Yackov who pre-dated it? Tosfos answers because that is before Kabolas Hatorah so we cant learn out from there,But we learn many Halachos from the Avos and we have no concern that it was before Kabblas Hatorah?
1)The Chsam Sofer answers it says by Dinei Avalus "Bonim Atem" when did we get the status of Bonim By Har Sinai So we need a Posuk from after.
2)Rav Eliyashiv שליטא answers We have Dinim in Aveilus like no learning, Oneien, no Davening, no Tefillin first day, if we would have learnt Dinie Avelius from them we would think you are Chayiv to do them. Why cause it was before Mattan Torah so thats why they did not do these things, in oder to learn these Halachos we need the Posuk to be after Mattan Torah
3)The Imrie Emes has an original piece on this-Mind Blowing:
-When Adam did his Averah he caused Death as we know it to come to the world,He says if not Death would still exist as people would want to leave this world and because of overcrowding to move on (see Rambam{highest level of existence to sit Lhanos Mizivug Shchina})It would have Gone like this People would have Accomplish there goals on this world and when there time came Made A Seduah to say I am ready to go,This would have been a Yom Tov so Adam Caused "Vechafachti Chagigachem Lavel" Happened by Adam
so when Moshiach Comes it will be "Vhufachti Avalam Lasasson"this will be when Avilus goes back to the way it was before the chet so since the Posuk in Amos refers to Adam he is before Yackov so we use his Posuk(talk about a Thusday night Shtikle)

Anonymous said...

More ideas for דף כ postings
-The fact that we make a Nafka Mina Beween the 5 Kroivim Rchokim or not but by parent full is a gemurah answers minority opinion what minority its the chachomim ?since in aveilus we say always go maikel so here they are minority
-they don't differentiate far or close parents and no parent
-Rishon bnevuah Acher is not accepted lhalacha only by daas yachid in this gemurahWhat if we dont know Krovah Or rechokah? Its a machlokes Do we say we have a klal Chkas chaim so we say he died later so he is a krovah
-The Taz disagrees cant say Chezkas chai on someone who is for sure Dead so we go according to the Maikil
What happens if he comes on 30ith day do we say Miktazs hayom or no hold regular avalus Shulchan aruch says Hold regular avelus Krovah
-How do we know it was rochak he had to keep shiva and i took a while to get from Bavel
-# laws more dinim learnt out dont need aidus one hour for two people
-Somone parents pass awy is there chiyuv to tell no unless there is a single son to say Kaddish Rav Boroch Taam says dont tell if other sons saying kaddish
_what if i know parent died i have a wedding can i invite Yes i cant the only thing i cant do is lie
-How did the medrash know till yackov no one was ever sick we know cause they told yosef the father is sick must be he was the first one to be mortally ill
How can the gemurah ask Is there a case where you tear and not sit shiva of course there is you hear a talmid chacham died you tear no shiva says the ritva a brisker chiluk2 types of kriyahone of avilus which needs shiva another of kovod talmud chacham

Anonymous said...

where is the original post?
Also what about when you see the Kosel or the Mokom Hamikdash there is a chiyuv to do kriah with no avelius?
Chazan Ish did not holad of it currently one of the gedolim also does not go to kosel by day cause at night not a zman Kriyah

Anonymous said...

-Why could he not Tear His Clothes?
He was wearing Borrowed,It was to ripped already

Anonymous said...

Was there another post that you rejected or did you post everythig I posted a first one too?

Avromi said...

Which one are you missing?

Anonymous said...

I started a Post with Daf blurbs for
דף כ maybe it did not post?

Avromi said...

I don't mind which way you send it to me, but I can edit more if you email - whichever way you prefer - thanks