Thursday, April 05, 2007

Daf Yomi - Moed Katan 26 - Highlights

The Gemora cites a braisa: The following are cases that the garments must be rent and they may not be repaired: One who rends his garment because of the death of apparent; because of the death of his teacher; because of the death of the Nasi; because of the death of the Head of the Beis Din; upon hearing bad news; one who hears blasphemy; one who sees a sefer Torah being burned; one who sees the ruins of Yehudah; one who sees the ruins of the Beis Hamikdosh; one who sees the ruins of Yerushalayim. (25b – 26a)

The Gemora asks: Is there an obligation for one to rend his garments upon hearing bad news; there was an incident when Shmuel was informed that King Shapur killed twelve thousand Jews and he did not rend his garments? The Gemora answers: The obligation is only when most of the congregation has been killed (if most of the nation gathered to wage war and they suffered a devastating defeat). The Gemora asks: Did King Shapur kill any Jews; didn’t he say to Shmuel that he warrants a reward for never killing any Jews? The Gemora answers: He killed those twelve thousand because they rebelled against him; he was stating that he never killed any Jews for no reason. (26a)

The Gemora cites a braisa: The one who hears the blasphemy himself and the one who hears about it from someone who heard it initially are required to rend their garments. The witnesses are not required to rend their garments when they testify regarding the blasphemy in Beis Din since they already rent them when they heard the blasphemy. (26a)

Rabbi Chelbo said in the name of Rav Huna: One who sees a burned sefer Torah is required to rend his garments twice; once on account of the parchment and once because of the words written in the Torah.

The Gemora records an incident relevant to this: Rabbi Abba and Rav Huna bar Chiya were sitting together. Rabbi Abba stood up in order to relieve himself. He took off his tefillin and placed them on a cushion. An ostrich came and attempted to swallow the tefillin. Rabbi Abba proclaimed: If this would have occurred, I would have been required to rend my garments twice. Rav Huna asked him: How do you know this? A similar episode once happened to me and I asked Rav Masneh if I was required to rend, but he didn’t know. Rav Yehudah told me in the name of Shmuel: There is only a requirement to rend your garments if the Torah or tefillin was destroyed forcibly, however, if it happens through an accident, there is no requirement. (26a)

The Gemora explains the last halacha cited in the braisa above: If one witnesses the ruins of the Beis Hamikdosh, he is required to rend his garments; if subsequently he saw the ruins of Yerushalayim, he is not required to rend a second time, rather, he may extend the original one. If he witnesses the ruins of Yerushalayim first and then he sees the ruins of the Beis Hamikdosh, he is required to rend a second time; extending the original one will not be sufficient. (26a)

The Gemora cites a braisa: Rabbi Meir said: One must rend his garments at least a tefach (four fingerbreadths). If after concluding this mourning period, another relative dies, he may extend the original rent by three fingerbreadths. Rabbi Yehudah disagrees and states: An initial rent of three fingerbreadths is sufficient and the extended rent (if another relative dies) may be of any size. (26b)

The Gemora cites a braisa: If they informed him that his father died and he rent his garment, and afterwards (he concluded this mourning period) he was informed that his son died and he extends the initial rent, the bottom portion may be repaired but the top portion may not be repaired. If they informed him that his son died and he rent his garment, and afterwards he was informed that his father died and he extends the initial rent, the top portion may be repaired and the bottom portion may not be repaired. If they informed him that his father, mother, brother and sister died, he rends once for all of them.

Rabbi Yehuda ben Beseira says: He is required to rend once for his father and mother and once for his other relatives since one cannot extend the rent that he did for his parents (it would seem that he rending again for his parents).

The Gemora asks: Why can’t he rend for his relatives first and then extend the initial rent for his parents? The Gemora answers: One cannot rend an extension rent for his parents (it would not be respectful to them). (26b)

9 comments:

Anonymous said...

What is the correlation between Pesach and the daf in the Gemurah today the Arab spoke in front of the Rabbonim and his jaw fell what do we do to the Rasha we must blunt his teeth

ben said...

and normally ההוא טייעא is Eliyahu HaNavi

Anonymous said...

What is the MAreh Makom For that statment? I thought it was ההוא סבה?

Anonymous said...

Found it
(בכל מקום טייעא זה אליהו הנביא שבא בדמות טייעא)
הרב הגאון מרדכי אליהו שליט"א

Anonymous said...

ראה: נמוקי יוסף לר' יוסף חביבא, ברכות, מהדורת אור הגנוז, בני-ברק תשמ"ה, עמ' יג: "...אתא אליהו אידמי ליה כטייעא...".

Anonymous said...

Actually does that mean Hashem punished Eliyahu For Poskining Talk about "TORAH LAV BSHMAYIM HI"

Anonymous said...

Haggos Yosef Daf- (כו)-Moed Katan
Daf Blurbs
-Halachos Of aveilus when visiting Yerushalayim
Why don’t we do Kriyah on the cities of Yehuda only Yerushalayim Bzman Hazeh?
A lot of them we don’t know where they are another reason with places like Chevron And Beer Shevah we are unsure if these places are the same places therefore we are only Nohaig Aveilus on Yerushalayim
-People have a Minhag that the first day the come to Yerushalayim the don’t eat meat or wine as a sign of aveilus .
-Because the Rambam brings a Halacha that after 30 days you must rip Kriyah again, Anshei Yerushalayim have a minhag not to be outside Yerushalayim more than thirty days
-Chal Hamoed there is no Kriyah on Yerushalayim and you don’t need to make it up afterwards because it is then a "Shmuah Rechokah"
-The Gemora tells us about Things that happened when Tzaddikim Died. There are two ways to understand this Gemora Rav Hai Gaon says Literally, The Meiri says that these things did not literally happen its is what the Maspidim said at the Levayah
-Pnei Moshe in the Yerushalmi says it was not Blood but rust colored water.
-When Rav Yackov was Niftar you saw the stars in middle of the day meaning Rav Yackov was a Sun for the world bringing the light of torah when he died you could see the stars the smaller Talmidie Chochomim
-Crying For his father and Rebbi Eliyahu Hanavi
What does it mean your Rebbi is like your father Rav Hutner said just as you know your father gave you life so to your Rebbi with the torah he teaches gives you life "Ki Heim Chayenu Vorach Yameinu"
Rabbi Yackov Weinberg says from the Talmid perspective the way to reach your Talmidim is to teach them as if they where your own sons.
-Rosh says in the end there is no source for ripping and not repairing for a Sefer Torah its simple Kal Vchomer Of course if for a Rebbi who learnt from the Sefer you rip and do not mend for sure for the Sefer he learnt from the same applies.
-After you ripped Kriyah can you sell to gentile Halacha says no and you may not flip it
-The Gemora is unclear is it besides for other relatives one rip for Mother and father or one rip for each?
-Some learn Aveilus is Drabonon and Kriyah is Doraisah and that is why we don’t go according to the Maikil by Kriyah, every one agrees they are not the same a simple way to remember this point Tishabav we have all the Dinim of aveilus but no Kriyah
How can you be Yotzeh Kriyah with friends clothing? When you borrowed you said my father is ill he understood you might need it for Kriyah.

Anonymous said...

Rosh says in the end there is no source for ripping and not repairing for a Sefer Torah its simple Kal Vchomer Of course if for a Rebbi who learnt from the Sefer you rip and do not mend for sure for the Sefer he learnt from the same applies.
I Just heard a question on this It says BAvli tioshoi why because they stand for a sefer torah and for the gavrah rabbah that was mikadesh it meaning klaf diyo(ink)are nothing untill a sofer comes and says "Lishem Kesivas Sefer Torah" the opposite svarah anyone with an answer?

Anonymous said...

Bavli Tipshoi :foolish Babylonian