Wednesday, February 14, 2007

Daf Yomi - Megillah 7 - STATUS OF RABBI ZEIRA AFTER HIS RESURRECTION

Rabbah and Rabbi Zeira ate the Purim meal together. They became intoxicated. Rabbah got up and slaughtered Rabbi Zeira. On the following day, Rabbah pleaded for mercy and he revived Rabbi Zeira. On the next year, Rabbah invited Rabbi Zeira to eat with him. Rabbi Zeira replied: A miracle does not occur at all times.

The Kli Chemda at the end of Parshas Breishis cites a kuntrus called Over Oreach. In this sefer, a question is asked: The Gemora Brochos (46a) records an incident where Rabbi Avahu honored Rabbi Zeira to recite the blessing and cut the bread. The Rashba asks that this is inconsistent with the halacha which states that this honor should be reserved for the host. The Rashba answers: since the meal was on behalf of Rabbi Zeira (he had recovered from a sickness), Rabbi Zeira was considered the host. Why didn’t the Rashba answer that Rabbi Zeira was a kohen (Yerushalmi Brochos 8:6)? He answers that since this incident happened after the episode of Rabbah with Rabbi Zeira mentioned in Megillah (Rabbah slew him and the following day revived him), Rabbi Zeira lost his sanctity of being a kohen and did not merit the right of this honor.

The Kli Chemda is greatly perplexed by this answer. Every kohen is considered a kohen because his father was a kohen. It is obvious that He did not lose his relations with his relatives because he dies, so why shouldn’t he be a kohen? Perhaps he would have required a new inauguration to serve in the Beis Hamikdosh but he definitely did not lose the status of being a kohen. He cites proof from the story with Elisha that one does not relinquish his relations with his relatives after he dies.

(Look at the Ramban in the beginning of Parshas Emor, where he writes that a kohen has certain halachos because he is a descendant of Aharon Hakohen and other halachos are because he is a kohen himself.)

After his resurrection, would he be required to marry his wife again? Reb Elchonon Wasserman discusses the status of the wife of Eliyahu after he ascended to Heaven without dying.

16 comments:

Shelby said...

Isnt techiyas hameisim a proof that they still will be kohanim? If they won't be kohanim, who will be?

Anonymous said...

This shtikel is in the new Shlill Rav on purim
me shemor bshem omroh mevi geulah

Avromi said...

Thank you, but I dont even know what sefer that is and who it's from. Can you enlighten us please?

Anonymous said...

http://jewishbook.co.il/product_info.php?products_id=371&osCsid=48d438faecd159ca464f2f686fe84630
they just made one for purim came out last week or this week i think

Avromi said...

Who wrote it?

Anonymous said...

רוזנטל, אברהם ישראל הרב
http://toranit.jct.ac.il/books.php?SearchID=&OrderBy=&page=54
Rav Avrhom Yisroel Rozenthal great sefer worth buying all of them on this one he has a bunch of shtiklach on gemurah on tefilos great all around

Anonymous said...

The Ben Yehoyada on this daf has a short discussion about whether R' Zeira had to remarry his wife. If I understood correctly his answer is no.

Avromi said...

thank you ill check there bli neder

ben said...

can there be a chiluk between one who dies through natural causes (and Eliyahu who was taken alive) to one who was killed, like Reb Zeira?

Anonymous said...

Rav Chaim Berlin asks the question better he said when he saw this concept of losing the kehuna because of this tchias hamesim he laughed because we learn it from a gemurah דף צ sanhedrin מניין לתחיית המתים מן התורה שנאמר (במדבר יח) ונתתם ממנו [את] תרומת ה' לאהרן הכהן וכי אהרן לעולם קיים? והלא לא נכנס לארץ ישראל שנותנין לו תרומה אלא מלמד שעתיד לחיות וישראל נותנין
לו תרומה מכאן לתחיית המתים מן התורה
So its poshut that KHUNAH STAYS.

Anonymous said...

Rav YAckov Chaim sofer Shlita Has an answer to it it may be that he will need a new Meshicha and only then be a cohen so it needs Shemen Hamischa so maybe the Kasha stays and he has got a gemurah to prove it the gemurah in ה יומא:
כיצד הלבישן? Then the gemurah follows up מאי דהוה הוה אלא כיצד מלבישן לעתיד לבוא So there the Ramban says from this gemurah we see the first Kehuna was botul and we will need to do a meshicha again and if so the Kli Chemdas from the sefer Kasha stays shver

Anonymous said...

But another attempt at an answer is given by Avraham Dovid Horwitz of the EDAH CHAREDIS from yet another gemurah inמסכת בבא מציעא דף קיד,בit says That rabbah bar avhu met Eliyahu hanavi in a gentile cemetery and said to him
אמר ליה לאו כהן הוא מר?! מאי טעמא קאי מר בבית הקברות? א"ל לא מתני מר דתניא ר"ש בן יוחי אומר קבריהן של עובדי כוכביםEliyahu hanavi went up to שמים and his wife was mutar to others because she is not wife of a man but a wife of a malach(sefer beis Shmuel: Even Ezer siman yud zayin sif katan yud aleph)Meaning essentialy he is dead lhalacha and yet his Kehuna status returned If not why did he not answer because I am no longer a Kohen hence this gemurah is soser the Ramban and we see the Kehuna stays even after death.

Anonymous said...

And more so we see he did not need a new Kiddushin for his wife and this we know from a gemurah in shabbos Peh ches amud beis that by Mattan Torah when The jews died and were brought back to life Threafter they went to live with their wives like normal without new kiddushinas it says "return to your tents", so if no new kiddushin is required why would he loose his Kehuna?and he adds the Ramban is no rayah because he may just be talking about renewing Arhon and his children and not all kohanim and that is just for cerimonial sake and not for Halachic purposes.

Anonymous said...

ANother Diyuk Since I am up AT This time in the morning The gemurah in Chulin Ches amud Aleph
א"ר זירא אמר שמואל ליבן סכין ושחט בה שחיטתו כשרה חידודה קודם לליבונה
Rav Pinchas Horowitz The baal HAflah written inthe chsam sofer sefer on chulin wrote how did he know the shechting would not kill him before the smoldering Knife He answers he had personal excperience from our story (;

Anonymous said...

That last one was said at the purim seduahas a purim Torah but the chsam sofer felt mabey there was an emes too it All this was takem From the Shlil Rav i was refering to before Ihope you enjoyed it as much as i did As A great man once said "Thats All Folks"

Avromi said...

yasherkoach! Well done! Thank you very much and it sounds like a sefer to get!